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fintrainer
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dolphin studs
      #120440 - 10/26/03 11:45 PM

Before anyone gets their panties in a bunch, I do not know the answer but I could take a couple guesses...

In the current update for the North American studbook for bottlenose dolphins, it states that gene diversity is at over 91% and there are really only two males who are "over-represented" in the population.

So... Who do we think are the two males???


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Re: dolphin studs [Re: fintrainer]
      #120480 - 10/29/03 02:45 AM

Good question...

I am leaning towards Clicker who I believe is sire# 77. As far as the other I know an older male named Ralph sire #130 was rather prolific.

Both are SeaWorld animals.

Anyone else have any guesses?

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Re: dolphin studs [Re: fintrainer]
      #120482 - 10/29/03 04:16 AM

Not taking into account stillbirths, etc., stud # 77 takes the cake with 15 calves. Coming in second is #185 at the Miami Seaquarium (born at park Sep 4 1976) with 13 calves. Stud 130 has 12 calves (capt. '77, transf. Harderwij in '97). Tied at 10 calves each, studs 230 (Dolphin Experience) and 380 (Dolphin Quest). I have no ideas on names, just sat down with the studbook and tallied out paternity...though taking into account second and third generation calves and deceased offspring may take some more work.

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Re: dolphin studs [Re: mactus607]
      #120485 - 10/29/03 06:56 AM

How might one obtain a studbook?

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Re: dolphin studs [Re: UlisesGirl]
      #120487 - 10/29/03 08:12 AM

I've been an AZA member for a few years now. They have studbooks for a huge variety of animals in their Members Only section. You can probably order it through the Studbook Keeper or maybe the AZA Publications Dept....

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Re: dolphin studs [Re: mactus607]
      #120494 - 10/29/03 08:04 PM

I have Clicker as 77 too. But I remember some conflicting info that made me think it might not be him, don't know.

380 is/was Hobi at DQ Hawaii. He is dead though.

Don't know name for 185, but he's sired Cookie, Ribley, 95 male, 95 deceased male, Skye, Orion, Star, Bimini, Onyx, Abaco, Croix, 02 female, and ? Anyone a regular MS visitor who might know?

But it still may be different males depending on how many male calves they have had and who they've bred... As you stated...

I'm impressed that you manually went through all the studs.

In the North American pop, which the 91% diversity and the 2 males who shouldn't breed..., it also states that there are 69 unrepresented animals. That means there are 69 originally wild animals that have not yet contributed to the gene pool. We need to breed them first!!!!!
Unlike DQ who is already talking about breeding Kolohe, who is first generation (and a product of Hobi-380)!!!



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Re: dolphin studs [Re: fintrainer]
      #120503 - 10/30/03 01:23 AM

I think 185 is JJ

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Re: dolphin studs [Re: fintrainer]
      #120504 - 10/30/03 01:33 AM

fin,

Yeah, I am not completely sure that # 77 is Clicker...the other animal I think it could be is Capricorn.



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Re: dolphin studs [Re: GreekOrca]
      #120505 - 10/30/03 01:37 AM

Greek,

According to the MMIR, you're right J.J. is sire # 185.

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Re: dolphin studs [Re: Spooky]
      #120547 - 11/01/03 11:47 PM

Supposedly Capricorn is now on birth-control. But there is still a calf that is either his or Akai's (who is also on birth control...) So much for Megace...

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Re: dolphin studs [Re: fintrainer]
      #120549 - 11/02/03 12:07 AM

What is birth control for male dolphins? I'm getting a ridiculous picture in my head and now I want an explanation

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Re: dolphin studs [Re: GreekOrca]
      #120561 - 11/02/03 09:34 PM

Generally two different drugs, Lupron or Megace.
I know more about how Lupron works than Megace. Both have also been used to control aggression in other animals, such as Sea Otters.

They are injections, like Depo-Provera being used on female animals.


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Re: dolphin studs [Re: fintrainer]
      #120569 - 11/03/03 06:20 AM

Thanks for the explanation

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